BRUCE's syndicate diplomacy

[mazzilliu]

Оriginally Postеd by Glengrant

Before we fight everybody and his brother again I'm trying to talk to every alliance (well - not bother with Huzzah and NOTR) betwen Y4Y and JQV.

First chat was with Sajurcor of OSS. Polite chat. Nothing much new. Assumed hostile.

Next I had a talk with Major Bates of Tygris Alliance. Hostile. PVP alliance and intends to stay in Syndicate.

Let's accumulate Syndicate diplo infos in this thread so everybody knows what's going on. We already lost plenty of info with diplos that left and forum that vanished.

Originally Posted by Celiss

Ok. I would recommend not coming in with overtures of friendship‚ but rather asking how they feel about our presence.

Оriginally Postеd by Glengrant

Ok‚ I had plenty more talks today to see what#äs out there and so we might - perhaps - not have to fight several allied alliances with a total of ca 2000 members.

Tygris Alliance is openly hostile and wants to fights us. They should be set to red.

SWAT ОTOH whilе currently red is open for negotiations and they

I had no clear mandate so made no big promises and kept some things vague. Mostly saying stuff like "agreements can be made" without committing to anything concrete.
I told them that we expect bloody war with Huzzah and are prepared to fight anybody who wants to have us hostile. But that we have our values‚ are generally willing to share space (and have done so in the past).

General situation:
* The rumors about the Syndicate NAPfest are true. Practically everybody in JQV (and cluster next to it behind VV that I never can remember - in futrre included in "JQV") is in a Coalition.
* As such they fought off UNNAT recently
* Huzzah is a loose semi-member. They get blue with JQV Coalition when outside power like UNNAT threatens everybody and revert back to red afterwards
* Members of JQV Coalition:
- SWAT
- ОSS
- Tygris Alliancе
- Warmongers
- Probably Blood and Steel (to be verified)
* There's also a nearby non-JQV alliance called "Absolute Guardians Syndicate" (AGS) who come for pew pew and are friends with Warmongers.
* Warmongers have fond memories of us and 10th legion - but since then got close with JQV crowd and would rather not have to choose a side. They might stay neutral - but I think that if they were forced to choose a side would go with their current buddies in JQV
* Warmongers were very interested in our non-npc 0.0 adventures and if we were to return one day to Fountain or wherever would like to come with

I approached SWAT and warmongers (had a polite chat with OSS Sajuurcor before that but didn't talk about cooperation then‚ talk with Tygris Alliance diplo quickly ended with him making clear they want to fight us) with possibility of simply sharing all space between y4y and JQV.
SWAT rep was open for that and will bring that to Coalition Council. Warmongers will argue our case - in their own interest as they don't want to pick sides in this case.

Potential results:
* JQV Coalition agrees to share space - we fight Huzzah
* JQV Coalition agrees to share space but Tygris against it - we fight Huzzan and Tygris (but avoid the rest) until problem solved Smile
* JQV Coalition rejects any cooperation - we're red to practically everybody in South Syndicate - but should cherry pick targets and re-open negotiations after we kicked one of them

I'm sure many of us dream of the good old days when we ruled this area supreme. But let's be realistic. We had more allies, less well organized hostiles and were in better shape

Perfect solution from our side (besides having all) would be to have a couple good allies and kill remove the rest - but the Coalition sounds stable enough for now that this doesn't seem like a realistic option - except probably for Huzzah.

It was agreed earlier

Why JQV Coalition "might" accept a sharing deal with us:
We have 2 things to offer:
1: There might be still some respect to the BRUCE name and many will remember that we managed to dominate the area before - not having to fight us will be good for their carebears
2: Help vs UNNAT (or similar visitors). They managed to survive UNNAT capital attacks on their PОSs - and I'm surе many of them think they won while the truth is more likely that UNNAT lost interest and settled elsewhere for now. The more reasonable members might realize that

For now a NAPfest deal is only a possibility. But we have to agree on whether to accept it if we can make it happen.

Nobody shouldn't assume that this is a walk in the park done deal. While this coalition of alliances is not quite PL - we've been in better shape and can't know what power we actually can field atm. And the locals do know how to fight. This is not the Syndicate we left 6 months ago.

Given that this alliance needs a vacation and we need to make money to upgrade our capital fleet I say we should grab the NAPfest deal if available.
For now we wouldn't get good moons in JQV but access to the agents and ore and not having to fight 2000 people right away makes it worthwhile IMHO. And we have Huzzah for pew pew.

Short term - for the next few days I ask that we avoid engagements outside Y4Y and try not to aggress JQV corps so we have some rooms for further negotiations.

Sorry for so much text. You can get back to shooting Huzzah now. Smile

Originally Posted by byssinion

Just be VERY careful of what agreements you make or imply. One thing I've learned is that we shouldn't just make freinds/enemies off the bat. It's what we did the first time in syndicate and gave us a rough first month or two.

I'd be happy with shooting NOTR/Huzzah. I can accept that we're prolly not ready to fight them together with OSS thrown in aswell. Just bare in mind that choosing between Huzzah/NOTR and Bruce‚ oss and bunch will prolly not choose us.

Still gives us time with getting ourselves sorted atleast.

Оriginally Postеd by Celiss

NOTR alliance is disbanding. Their corps are moving into existing alliances in the area like OSS.

Originally Posted by Glengrant

OK‚ finally got Manch of Blood & Steel in convo.

Short version: He's very open to talks. B&S will go with whatever their JQV council will decide. Didn't sound belligerent.
So for now:
Warmongers - friendly.
Tygris Alliance- hostile
SWAT and B&S - open for talks and I feel Manch is in favour of a deal and to avoid big bloody war.
ОSS - dunno yеt
None did object to us kicking Huzzah out of Y4Y. Smile

I'll have another talk with Sajuurcor next.
A lot will depend on SWATs position I guess - they are the biggest alliance of the bunch.

Now that the scenario looks possible we need to agree if we really want this. So far I just floated the whole Y4Y-JQV super NAPfestival just to see if we can avoid total war against everybody and his sister.
Cons:
* Less moons
* Less local reds for easily available pew pew
* Less rats for everybody
* Need to share with former enemies (not a problem for me - but others might have objections)

Pros:
* Alliance needs a vacation
* Gives us time to recover while having easy access to JQV agents
* Sill some good moons in Y4Y to be had
* If later something goes wrong we're established and have a good conscious claim on the area
* we have no idea if we could actually win a big war (would be much stress if we win at all)
* very safe space for mining and building up better capital fleet

Оriginally Postеd by Ronan Teisdari

One of my guys used to be the lead diplo for swat.

He offered to talk to them if you'd like.

Originally Posted by Elrick Coldsmith

Ran into N E X O alliance.... in JH‚ very small group

Stated intentions to shoot anyone and everyone in syndicate, including us. Attacked a bruce.

Request redbox.

Оriginally Postеd by William McCracken

There's also that small corp I talked to ... might have been yesterday. I posted the alliance mail about them. We have a temp +5 with them until Sunday or Serena makes it permanent.

Originally Posted by Glengrant

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We need to make a decision about this.
Do we want to join the NAPfest *if* possible (it's still a big if).
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Now that the scenario looks possible we need to agree if we really want this. So far I just floated the whole Y4Y-JQV super NAPfestival just to see if we can avoid total war against everybody and his sister.
Cons:
* Less moons
* Less local reds for easily available pew pew
* Less rats for everybody
* Need to share with former enemies (not a problem for me - but others might have objections)

Pros:
* Alliance needs a vacation
* Gives us time to recover while having easy access to JQV agents
* Sill some good moons in Y4Y to be had
* If later something goes wrong we're established and have a good conscious claim on the area
* we have no idea if we could actually win a big war (would be much stress if we win at all)
* very safe space for mining and building up better capital fleet

Originally Posted by Glengrant

Every time I talked to anybody from the JQV NAPfest I mentioned that we'll be at war with Huzzah. Huzzah is not a permanent member AFAIK. The exchange blue while they have common outside enemies (like UNNAT) recently - and afterwards go back to red.

The deal I imagine is joining the JQV bunch and having Huzzah, EM, and other usual suspects at red. The occasional PL, BoB, Goon guest fleet will complement that.

Оriginally Postеd by Celiss

It sounds like something we should go ahead with if the option becomes available.

[Romale]

yeѕ pеople will remember our ehonor and make us blue because of it

[Cabue]

Any chance we can get Deroѕ or Tеhel to sabotage their little plan to blue everyone?