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Pandemic Legion
Alts:
Olga Possy, Arohkien, Lord Kasimir
Kills:
344,426 (189)
Losses:
9,361 (18)
Posts: 32
Join Date: 2010 Aug
Downloads: 6
Uploads: 0
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Оriginally Postеd by i'm down
Sunday 18:00 Dec 12 from UMI
2.0 take on this fleet after lots of talk with the other FC's
This fleet will furthermore be known as "The Axe"
No longer will we say that a logistics web is too strong to cut through‚ or that lag is too high to apply damage. Now we will cut through all obstacles with a sharp axe rather than a giant blunt hammer.
There are 5 major classes of ships for this fleet. Each one is has it's Roles that are designed specifically to benefit the other 4 classes within this fleet.
If a fleet of 100 were broken down to it's 5 raw elements, this is how it would look:
Per 100 pilots:
10 Huggins
10 Lachesis
10 Hics/dics
3 Command ships (at least 1 vulture, at least 1 claymore and at least 1 eos, all set for max bonuses for their type)
60 BS (at least 40 tempest and preferably scorpions to fill in the voids)
7 Logis
That's the ideal. So if you see fleets going out that look like they're slacking in numbers on one part or another, try to change ships before an FC ever ask to make this work..
Because NC fittings junkies aren't done finalizing fittings that will work, Ronan has asked me to call the linked fittings for this fleet [TEST FITTINGS]
viewtopic.php?f=154&t=76613&p=329219#p329219
This fleet concept is going to return to the grass roots of warfare where pilots can no longer simply warp in and sit at 0 while begging to be repaired. Pilots are expected to be more attentive and weary of being locked by a large chunk of enemies.
For Sunday,
Primary ship choices will be in order from most valuable to least:
Lachesis/Huggins
Tempest
Scorpions
Hics/Dics
Commands
Ravens
Shield Logistics
All else
Because there are 2 options for caldari, No drakes will be allowed into this fleet.
All BS pilots are expected to have close range, mid range, and t2 long range ammo.
DО NOT FLY MAELSTROMS OVER PEST - Thеre are several specific problems with Maelstroms that can severely affect fleet performance over what a Tempest can do.
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Originally Posted by i'm down
[Huginn‚ New Setup 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II
Assault Missile Launcher II, Guristas Bloodclaw Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Guristas Bloodclaw Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Guristas Bloodclaw Light Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x3
nearly 764 m/s with a 144 sig and 78k ehp with vulture/claymore
[Lachesis, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
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[Tempest, New Setup 1 import 1]
Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Signal Amplifier II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Medium Proton Smartbomb II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
[Raven, shield rr]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
[Scorpion, New Setup 1]
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
ECM - White Noise Generator II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Nosferatu II
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
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Оriginally Postеd by TGRAD Anax Walsinghami
Here's the real problem‚ from my point of view. It is not the FC's fault a lot of the lost battles we were in unless they made a real sloppy decision like keeping the fleet balled up when a 30 SB fleet was in system. So here goes and let the hate flow :
We lose against PL because they are a PVP alliance. When they call for ships and pilots they have (I suspect) a roster of who flies what. Certain pilots fly logis, certain pilots fly Ahac and certain pilots fly BS's. When fleet forms up everyone has their assigned role known ahead of time and fleet assembles accordingly...fast and efficiently. I suspect too that percentage of pilots out care bearing is pretty low when they call for a fleet.
With MM we are polar opposites. A FC calls for a fleet and it is a adhoc melange of ships. How many times do you see in fleet chat, "What ship should I bring?". I suspect PL doesn't have much of that posted in their fleet chats. If we had assigned roles then maybe our fleets could form up faster and give the FC the ships he needs. The second thing against MM are the shear number of pilots not joining fleets. Too many times I'm reading in corp chat about pilots running the maze or doing a WH that I have to wonder where our pvp spirit is. I suspect this is true of all the corps. I also suspect you don't read much of that in PL corp chats. While we are good at predetermined fleets like last Sunday in HP, the quick response ops leave something to be desired like last nights op in F-7. Took forever to get fleet formed up to no fault of the FC. Again, pre-assigned roles solves a lot of problems. Faster form up gives us more time to be on target before PL can react.
Supercaps. Something from alliance HC needs to be done here. PL seems to have no problem using their SC for hot drops or any other combat. How do they handle a MoM loss? Seems we have a lot of SC pilots but I have yet to see a fast response to counter PL. Until we can start using our SC to counter PL's, then PL will continue to win. The idea people are getting into Super Carriers and then use them to rat in just seems like such a non-productive use for a null sec alliance pilot. I wonder if all the isk we lose from PL stealing our moons could not be used for SC reimbursement when we get moons back?
In the end each individual pilot has to ask himself why he is a MM pilot. Is it to make isk by being in a secure null sec alliance or is it to defend what MM pilots have fought to protect over the years? Is your goal to let other pilots do the fighting while you find other things to do or will you help to take back what is ours. What with corp reimbursement there is no real reason why you cannot join up to help even if you get in a freebie frig and sit on a gate to help protect the fleet.
(insert here patriotic war poster with mass flight of war planes blotting out the sun)
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Оriginally Postеd by Fusen Yoyo6000
i think part of the problem is the crappy fleet times atm.
nearly every fleet i see advertised atm ither leaving too late to me to join or is on its way back when im not at work.
ie i can join most fleets for 2 hours or so‚ but if it leaves after 22.30 i carnt go, as i have more most mornings.
and latles fleets have been forming at 19.00 or 23.00 former im in work, latter heading to bed.
this could be the issue for more people
i also think we need LESS intel...
last night a fleet started with the intent of rf'ing a few pos's.
as soon as i heard pl were forming on a titan, i dident bother because ive allready lost 2.4b isk worth of ships during the last week due to suprises...
i dont mind losing ships, but when i know im gonna lose them i sort of dont see the point in going
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Оriginally Postеd by Zeturi
I severely doubt there is any form of ~roster~. That doesn't work at all unless you have the same people online all day every day.
They form fast because pretty much all their pilots (if not literally all) can fly all of their setups (Armor BS/AHAC or Alpha gang) and each pilot afaik is required to have at least 1 ship for each of these ready.
The difference is if they need logis or hics they tell people to swap and they do it right away‚ not "i can buy one... then ѕpеnd 15 minutes fitting it".
We can form supers quickly‚ but dropping 10 momѕ on 5 PL moms and having thеm log in 15 more leaving us outnumbered 2:1 is not a good plan most of the time. More then that we actually need to tackle them to hotdrop.
If you have people in corp constantly carebearing when ops are going you might want to have a talk with one of your directors or ceo  |
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