EXE: This sounds like more of a way for BoB to boost their internal morale...

[Rick Thwaites]

Alternatively, a good title may very well be: All alliances in the GBC do fly terrible ships...

tl;dr: BoB started to be rude to EXE and the other pets, causing some dissension that the leadership tries to quell.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Max Update?

Оriginally Postеd by [FOFF] - FreeMarket

I have been working like a dog and recently just started trying to get back into game‚ imagine my surprise when...

1) I log into Bob TS and the main channel is called, "We're F**ked!" Anybody what to let me know why that is?

2) When on Bob TS nobody says anything. Spooky

3) Sunday, I log into Bob TS and it is called, "At least we know we're F**ked!" and instead of hearing orders, I hear, "what are these no-Bobs doing in channel and get ejected (not a RKK channel or anything, just a normal op channel.)

Weird events, anyone got the story one what is happening?

Оriginally Postеd by [FoFF] Ephemeral

MAX has gone 3 months beyond it's Best-Before date ... and is still dragging on.

Imagine a 2 month gate camp and you'll be right up to date.

Originally Posted by [OFE] Mo'Chuisle

You can log in all you want, but one idea behind the MAX 2.0 thing is that everybody is getting sick and tired of half of the GBC fleet consisting of shit ships with even shittier fittings and no gang or TS discipline at all. So all allies will be running their own ops to train and if necessary remove the bad apples.

Оriginally Postеd by [OFE] Mo'Chuisle

Not it's a simple matter of it being way harder to work on these issues if you do not run your own gangs. Besides, it's not a matter of BoB blaming everyone, all people in leadership positions that I talked to agreed to this, why do you think we have been making threads on our own forums weeks and months ago about the exact same issue? Just because people like to think that they are on the cool team doesn't make it okay to be fielding the same shit over and over. ExE certainly wasn't the biggest offender in the area, but we had our share of shitfits and shitships that we need to get rid off And BoB isn't saying that it's just in everyone else, the point is the overall fleet quality was pretty lousy lately and it included people from all sides in the GBC.

Оriginally Postеd by [OFE] Mo'Chuisle

No actually you will hear the same "arrogance" from our own FCs‚ too

The matter of fact is that to compete in this political landscape you either need to outblob your opponent (which we don't aim to) or you need to have vastly better fleet composition to make up for numbers. That is what worked in our favor in the last war, and the problem is that while our opponents kept training skills we seem to have lost our focus on fleet quality. This is not a BoB-only, GBC-only or ExE-only phenomenon, but it is happening and it needs to be addressed.

It isn't even just the material that is being flown, in the last few weeks I noticed for example that more and more people stopped warping back in after they had to warp out as soon as it looked as if we might be on the losing side of the fleet. That was something I watched happening for over a year, but on the other side of the battles. It's pretty much the worst thing your pilots could ever do and shows a level of selfishness and assholery that is really astounding.

tl,dr

There is a lot of issues that need working on. ExE is by far not the worst offender. BoB doesn't think that it's all our fault. But expect our FCs to be just as sharp as the BoB FCs regarding these issues.

Оriginally Postеd by [FOFF] - Dreshna

#1 I didnt see any arrogance‚ just frustration with people being retarded.
#2 Suck less, I died maybe 2x a month and was there a lot. And if you only can last a month in an offensive war what use are you to an alliance? You had PB where it was safe to go rat. If PB was invaded are you only going to be able to field ships for a month?
#3 The game isnt only about numbers, that is why we are taking a different approach. Less fatalistic blame game, more suck less and suck it up.

Оriginally Postеd by Rhaegor Stormborn

I hear what you are saying here and appreciate it, but man, I logged into BoB TS before I knew what had changed as no one had said a word about it yet, someone like myself who for 10 weeks straight was in gangs every single day, fly all tech 2 properly fitted ships, probably have more kills over the last 10 weeks then 80% of the BoB pilots, and they were rude asshats, and kicked me from TS without even saying why.

Whatever though, I am good with gangs of EXE people as it will be nice to actually have fleets where we can say something in fleet chat like "Where is the fleet" or "Is it safe to come into E-О from M-O" without gеtting told to clear coms or shut the fuck up. Fleet chat is where the GANG MEMBERS are supposed to communicate. TS is for FCs. granted there should not be inane bullshit chatter in fleet chat‚ but ѕtuff that pеrtains to the gang and its current operation should be not only allowed‚ but welcomed, that iѕ, unlеss you are a terrible FC who can't walk and chew bubble gum.

I look forward to joining and possible FCing some fleets for EXE and getting to know you all better‚ becauѕе the way BoB runs gangs is not fun nor condusive to a healthy relationship between alliance mates and allies. It is not fun‚ nor iѕ it productivе. Hopefully we won't have the spy problems they have as well.

Furthers to debates about what should be said in Fleet vs. Gang vs. IRC vs. Alliance vs. Corp chats.

[Mulla Nasrudin]

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