RESURG DIR: Stock YZ-LQL for a fight

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Оriginally Postеd by CELES darth solo

soon as we have a VERY good supply of BS and mods in YZ we will deploy the deathstar pos and suck our enemies in using it to get us fights.

so the sooner we all get that sorted the sooner we can get good fights.


plz work on it asap.

Originally Posted by [EDF] John McCreedy

You're going to have to be a little more relaxed on the activity levels then because you can't have corp's members heavily active in PvP and working on making enough cash for good stocks. My advice would be measure activity levels once we reach this point because corps with high drop off in activity once a Deathstar is deployed have obviously wasted this valuable build up phase.

Originally Posted by -R.D- IntegralHellsing

I gotta agree with John. Can't expect people to act heavily in pvp AND isk farming for stocking up ships. I am betting that most people have already spent a lot of their ISK moving stuff to YZ-LQL and now are low on isk to stock up any more ships for fast deployment.

Give it a bit more time and get everyone ready to be able to assist in the time given. It doesn't hurt to be prepared fully.


ps. A war is only won when the logistics is fully operational and not compromised. Thus never go to war unless you are ready. (is the old saying :P)

Originally Posted by CELES darth solo

If ppl think they are coming to RESRG to make isk then they are in for a big shock.

First we fight‚ then they make isk in the quiet times to replace loses.

we are only talking about a couple of BS in core 7 days after they have joined the alliance . if they cant do that then they dont belong in a alliance and should stick to systems around JITA.

Оriginally Postеd by [EDF] John McCreedy

Darth‚ mate. Your post said this:

That doesn't sound like a couple of BS. You then put this in the membeship forum:

You know full well none of us are here for the cash, we're here for the pew pew because many of us you've flown with before but you are guilty of sending mixed signals mate. We just need clarification bud. What are we doing? Making cash and buying BS or fighting?

Оriginally Postеd by -R.D- IntegralHellsing

i know we're not here for cash. hell i would have just applied for some bob carebear alliance if i was looking for cash :P


what i meant was that to start from death star and move forward we will need not just 1 or 2 bs per person‚ but maybe at least 3 or more. probably you are going to deploy death star, defend first with current BS and cap ships available, then use the free time or stalemate situation to replace and buy more bs and move onwards. what i was suggesting was to have plenty to start from. but obviously this is just my 1 cent of idea. hey, doesn't hurt to have a brainwave session? :P

Оriginally Postеd by CELES kidrob

This is what Insurgency was about and it is what Resurgency is!

Every corp has its carebears and has its hardcore-pvpers:
Carebears should support the pvpers as much as possible while the pvpers do what they should do: pvp!

Its no big deal to built a few BS and support at least the own corp with them! If you have spare and doing well give them out to the Alliance as other ppl here already do! ( :up: )

Since a carrier can transport 1-2 BS and shitloads of small ships its np.
You can also built 100mn mwds or capital torpedos to "compress" minerals in empire, ship em via rorqual or jf and built the bs in yz etc etc...

If you have questions about then iam sure "Frankywave" can help you guys out with ideas and can support you with knowledge as other people can in this alliance! we are one team and alliance so lets act as a team! (also free to contact me ig and ill try to help you also as much as i can)

-> What i try to say is that ppl/corps should be able to produce AND pvp at the same time: In the end the whole "team effort" or "corp efford" which counts and what you can see on the kb!

Оriginally Postеd by [EDF] John McCreedy

Kidrob‚ we all know that. What we're saying is Darth's telling us to prepare and telling us to fight at the same time. That's a mixed signal. If he tells us to prepare then he needs to relax his view on participation levels so that we can carebear in preperation. If he tells us to fight then we all fight like dogs down to the last man, even if we're fighting in noob ships. But you can't do both at the same time so we just need clarification.

Оriginally Postеd by CELES darth solo

im hopeless at logistics. but i have 5 BS in YZ and all my gear. i moved it here myself in the first few days of RQM while YZ had ZERO blues and was full of reds it was easy because im not a numpty.


we have organised 30 BS to be brought up for the alliance which iv used alot of my own isk for‚ they will be here this weekend, this has been done bcause im getting bored of ppls excuses for not having proper ships. we have 4 PОS in our hangеr now ready to go alongwith all the fuel needed.

this was all done in the last few days.

i dont get it‚ i seriously dont get it. its a game, logistics isnt real life in eve its a simple job. get ships to YZ and fight.

untill we fight and maybe take moons the alliance is going to be a isk drain on my wallet and yours, so forgive me i i think things shouldnt be moving at 0mph.

lets just get it done and stop making it out to be something it doesnt need to be, a JОB.

Originally Posted by CELES darth solo

if a corp joins this alliance and needs to isk whore before they can PVP then ill boot them faster than they can say "im away to NPC". because that would be taking the piss now wouldnt it. i really hope thats not what ur saying.

when i say prepare im telling you to have all your PVP ships in YZ, im not telling u to isk whore for a few weeks so ur able to buy ships, i mean omg.

WE NEED TО FIGHT FIRST AND EARN OUR RITE TO NPC THE REGION :wink:

Originally Posted by [EDF] John McCreedy

O.K. I'll spеak plainly - I'm saying make your bloody mind up. Saying "Go rat but if you have a low participation rate on the killboard I'll kick you" is taking the piss. Before you have a go at me for being blunt‚ I suggest you go and re-read what you've been saying and you'll understand what IntegralHellsing and I are on about. It's totally contradictory.

Now since you've been equally blunt (read clear) I know what to tell my corp - make sure you beat CELES on the killboard or I'll kick your arse

J

Оriginally Postеd by E-R Cartiff

I think we should all be speaking plainly here‚ and as anyone who knows me, thats exactly what i do.

Firstly,
John, it seems fucking simple to me, my ladz are building their own ships, ratting when its quiet and fighting when theres a fight on. All you gotta do is make sure you have spare ships, and if you fight smart, you don't lose that many anyway, so its all good. I would stop trying to create an arguement here, and just get your ladz doing what needs to be done.

Darth is giving us guidelines as to what needs to be done, its upto you ceo's to work out the finer details. If you can't figure out that you do logistics when its quiet and fight when its busy, then jesus....

Secondly,
Darths in command, he says, we jump, if he wants to put up a deathstar to test PL/SoT responce then lets go. We only stand to lose a tower and a few ships to gain valuable intelligence on enemy capital Timezones, operational strength and fleet particapation.
We also gain the intel on our own members, who will come and fight, who will stay docked and be "afk" and who will rise up and help above and beyond.
Seems like a fucking good deal to me.

Thirdly,
And this is to everyone, This section of the forum is for the leaders of corps and people who (i hope) can get stuff done, if we fracture, then we're fucked from the start, we all see the hymm sheets, lets start singing.

Оriginally Postеd by CELES darth solo

All im asking is that the members of each corp move to YZ and are ready to PVP. that means they have to do basic ship/mod logistics to make sure they have the means to do so.

iv never said that anyone should join RESRG and start npcing to make isk to get ships. that would be alliance suicide. Its imperative we establish RESRG as a PVP force asap.

The guys in RESRG need to be in BS and be able to replace them. When we are happy that we can field a reasonable ammount we will put up a POS. the job of the POS is to test SOT and see how they will react so we can plan ahead‚ if we cannot defend our own pos then we cannot attack the enemies.

so what we want is everyone to PVP and do logistics at the same time. thats not something any of us should have problems with. i bet i could get 2 BS and mods up to YZ from empire in my lunch break at work, in fact if i spent the time ingame rather than making this post i could prob have moved 4:wink: .

If some1 in celes apoc couldnt field a BS and had no isk we would remove them or if they were a good pvper id supply the gear.

too much of our energy is being put into this post. lets move on and do the best we can. Im not saying these things because i enjoy typing, its to try and move our alliance forward.

Оriginally Postеd by EDF Gemberkoekje

As usual‚ truth is generally somewhere in the middle. Let's start a few big ops and see what we can muster over the next weeks. If corps are lagging behind, ask why. In my humble opinion (then again, I'm a friendly person) kicking hardly solves anything, it just leaves a gap. I think it's better if we all work together to get said corp to full participation. EDF and CELES have more then enough capitals to move just about anything, and we should think about loans as well.

Hopefully, this won't be nessicary in the first place. But helping a halfly moved corp up will give us so much more respect (and with it motivation and fighting spirit) then kicking them out. Оfcoursе‚ there's a limit to when one helps and when one kicks.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Оriginally Postеd by E-R Shaemell

At the moment treat the alliance with the same respect you would an FC‚ and just do what the person in charge says.

If we as directors cannot do this then it's best to go seperate ways which would be a shame because for the first time in a long while I am optimistic about the alliance I am in.

Оriginally Postеd by MI piscis

I've been reading with interest and tend to see a number of points but the main one is its stupidly boring not fighting properly so the sooner we get out in some large gangs the better.

If corps dont have the ISK to field a BS or two then I'm thinking you joined the wrong alliance or did we just miss the whole FOUNTAIN campaign and think this space was going to be friendly and we could sit and make ISK without grief.

People who play EVE are often lazy as it's a slow paced game - hence they always moan about ISK unless they are mature chars with reserves - hence my point about low skill point chars -hence if you dont have the ISK to field a ship or two your broke and that isn't going to improve any time soon‚ hence your goose is cooked in my opinion.

I don't agree logistics is for real life, this is a tactical and somewhat complicated game when you look at the number of people playing together hence it pays to get it right and also to keep it simple and to a minimum. For our part we have just moved and have had no time to make isk for months due to our defence of 9-4 and before that Fountain, but, anyone not able to field a ship will be given them by corp.

Lastly, I can see the point about mixed messages, I see it more as glossing over the detail but Cartiff is right - talk about what you can do not what you can't as the detail belongs to the corps not the alliance.

Fishy

Оriginally Postеd by CELES darth solo

i dont understand why ppl think its mixed messages.. i said for everyone to get all the gear to YZ‚ its been 2 weeks since i said that. i never said come to YZ and isk whore so in a few months you will have enough isk to buy ships.

logistics for a decent corp should take no more than 1 week, ill be giving u guys 3 weeks.

sitting on our ass is boring the guys and our enemy is only fighting us when they hold all the cards. that needs to be stopped asap and we cant wait a few months for ur guys to get organised.

Оriginally Postеd by -R.D- IntegralHellsing

Logistics for RD complete on Saturday. With 1 carrier and 14m m3 to move for 8 carrier jumps (including return trip) we managed to move within 1 week.
(not to mention huge amount of fuels used :P)

We have couple of fleet BS ready for those who can use Large T2 turrets‚ and reѕt will bе in support gang.
(Thing is most of us have T2 turret skills but not long range gun skills. we all whored our skills in AC‚ Pulѕе and blasters. So i am making them train for long range T2 guns too atm.)


For 2 days I've been in YZ-LQL and I now understand that we need to hurry a bit more. Hostiles come and go by this sytem so easily and we cannot stop them. They lose a couple of small ships and we lose big ships at the same time. They indeed hold the upper ground in YZ- atm and this needs to stop ASAP. and we don't get enough participants from people in YZ- as well. even though gang is up they're not in the gang.


I know it's hard for big corps to move everything to YZ- fast enough but darth is right. can't wait for months. if we wait any more then everyone will be a sitting duck.

ps. When the hostiles see us carrier jumping in and out they tend to organize a big gang within 10~30 minutes to have a go at it. RD had to halt its carrier jump from Vehan to YZ- twice because of that. Therefore we also need a constant gang going on to protect cyno alts and keep an eye on friendly carrier jumps as well.

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