WR3CK DIR: Cross post from alliance forum -talking to ceo's - 9-12 September 2008

[Mulla Nasrudin]

Оriginally Postеd by CEO-Sacul

I will say this once more ........

IF YOU DO NOT GET YOUR MEMBERS INTO GEAR IN A FEW DAYS TIME THERE WILL BE NO MORE UNAT IN CLOUD RING very soon!!!

I really get the impression that last weeks meeting did have a effect for a whole 4 days.

1. Get your members back online.....we are down to roaming gangs of 25 at eu peak tz. This was 40 beginning of the week and 80-90 when we were based in 35-!!!!!
2. Get viable options for new member corporations
3. Get viable options for new strong partners in the region‚ like -V-.

If we dont do this and our numbers stay like this we will be steamrolled in a week.

I will be working again from tuesday onwards and the entire idea of last weeks meeting was that you all pick up the slack that i can not do anymore due to rl!

Alternatively we can just fold this whole damn alliance and go back to empire. I am close to not giving a fuck anymore.
Talking doesnt seem to work......

Now go put your money where your mouth was last week!

example: 43 in alliance atm and 1 person wants to pvp........just 1

Оriginally Postеd by CEO-Sacul

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well ladies we are in deep shit it seems. awesome work from all of us!

-Xzh cyno jammer is down
-3 posses in reinforced coming out 20:00 pm eve time and later
-xzh<>9-4 jumpbridge down.
-1 enemy pos in xzh 6-25
-Station services out in xzh

Assume stations and gates are camped.

Friday pos come out...ev0ke titan in build and pos in reinforced. ....20:00 eve time friday....

we have 10 dreads and about 20 bill in corp assets stuck in station.

Originally Posted by Wr3ck-Arconath

Is there any reason why we would want to keep the dreads in 9-4? Just asking in case there is an opportunity for me to jump a the 2-3 moros out.

Originally Posted by CEO-Sacul

jump 'm out‚ evac what u can from corp assets inventory. new stage point is a-sj

Оriginally Postеd by WR3CK - Heikki

I've been semi-inactive for quite long due RL (but hey‚ Eve is still the only game I play and I consider myself to be game addict), so don't reckon my ideas hold that much value. A few comments anyway:

- I'll try to be there for my part, at least today and somewhat for the weekend, as a soldier in the line

- Most of the Wrecks are now logged off in the home area (130+ or so), or at supporting areas like A-SJ/Chard (ca. 40+).

- In my impression PL did good show of force; bringing large enough blob in attempt to create image "can't resist that, no reason to try even"

- In that sense it seems it all is up to the diplomats, to try see if can they get some arrangements with third parties.

- It's understandable if Sacul can't play due RL (which always has the priority); hopefully you manage to use your little time to delegation tasks only (due his authority). Meaning specific tasks (contact alliance XXX diplos) to specific persons (it never works to tell 'someone has to').

- In the end, IMHО, losing CR is not catasthropе‚ but still worth fighting for, both for the self-image and resources. In some ways it would be even relief not to have assets needing maintenacen..although it would imply remaining in the junior league of Eve.

- At least we'll have some action close-by for a while

-Lasse
wondering did he really sound that defeatist

Оriginally Postеd by WR3CK - Arcane Mystery

In all honesty I don't see how we can hold our own against PL. Of course I will be there to fight when I can‚ but what I mean is this. We either need to get help fast from good friends or we need to face the fact that PL are a superior fighting force compared to UNAT and start negotiations to see if it's possible to arrange a surrender and get our assets out. The alliance in general and Wreck in particular have a lot of assets we risk letting locked inside the stations within a very short while.

Accepting a defeat is not the same as running away so there's no shame in it as I see it. If we can't get a realistic plan on how to beat them and with assistance from who (and this needs to be sorted very soon) then it's better to work out how to cut our losses. It will hurt and we will probably lose a lot either way (supercaps in build?) but it's better to lose a lot then to lose it all.

Оriginally Postеd by Wr3ck - Andrew1138

Again find myself agreeing with Arcane. Personally I wa hoping to at least undock my character and my carrier full of pvp ships this morning. It would have worked has the goons not been camping the station.

Unless we get solid agreements and people in the area from our allies then we should at least see what kind of accomodation can be made with PL. If PL bring 50 dreads as they did on the CAN? pos then we are fucked.

Originally Posted by CEO-Sacul

1. ET talked to cleisthenes (bob) he said he would see what they could do and make a dir. mail.
2. Ev0ke and Outbreak will come to help asap.
3. If it wasnt for a titan in build (ev0ke's) i would have called a withdrawl of the area last week like the ppl who i talked to on ts know.
4. We have a humongeous amount of stuff in the station‚ corp assets inc. posses i would guess 30 billion worth.
5. I have been talking to the leadership of the alliance for weeks now trying to reform and get them of their asses to take over my tasks.

I am working way more now than i usually do so it wasnt possible for me to do what i used to. I even send out a extra warning mail a few days ago, allas it didnt help. I do get responses like 'Every member of MI was in gang' lmao yes its true all 3 of them were in gang :/
Then offcourse we had the brains of the alliance cs3 make a topic on alliance forum asking where our members are and how come we cant field gangs anymore. I heared about that mail in game via a friend of a PL member before i even read it......so yeah the illusion we upheld of our old pvp strength was gone there and then.
I said in several threads that we have spies and everything you say on alliance forums kugutsumen will read, i talked to cs3 and explained this to him after the damage was done. His reply was a apologie and he said he didnt know.

A alliance that doesnt want to help itself on leadership and member level is beyond redemption.

Even if we safe evoke's titan friday and hold the field i will be getting wr3ck out of this alliance and region asap. That is unless somebody is willing to step up and become ceo. I dont have the time for this anymore (leading a alliance i mean) and with the current leadership on alliance level i do not have the will aswell.

I like SAE and their ceo ser'aina/kemaraa does try hard and actually gets his people to do what is needed but they are all swedish and go to bed at 2300-2400 eve time so to hold space that sucks but on prime time they rock.

DR i like aswell but also not a space holding corp but guerilla fighters and damn good at it (altho i think their post on coad about the EC campaign was very detrimental, it angered and provoked PL and ppl like angel).

Thats it on a corp level the rest can all die in a fire for all i care atm

A little note on my remark on Geminate.
What i said i mean and i am bitter about members fucking off. The one exception is marshall because as soon as he knew of the situation he returned the 27 jumps to us to lead a leet. I also saw terdy jumpclone back yesterday.

That leaves us with a few people like jarack who fucked off to querious the day before we evacuated pnq and my very very angry hard talk with him about this made him resign as a director (was the same talk as the alt thread cock up).
Then there is Pimp, ste and the rest of them guys. Pimp might say he deserved a break but imo its bullshit he has been playing this game 18 hours a day for a year and that is due to his disabled knee. I didnt make him play that much and i certainly did not burn him out. For him to fuck off in the alliance / corp greatest hour of need leaves me very bitterso yes my remark was directed at him. He knew about the situation more than any regular member did.

Well this ends my ramblings and general remarks for now. I just thought it might give you guys some better insight.

If you can evacuate corp assets, inc dreads, and the bulk of your own stuff to a-sj but pls leave some pvp ships behind because this fight is not over till friday

Оriginally Postеd by WR3CK - Loki Elis

note... I typed this before sacul made the above post.. I also came back last night from geminate..

I've been a bit inactive last couple of weeks due to some RL issues and haven't been able to sit and give up 2-3 hours to pvp. I have kids to look after and the wife start a new job so things are a bit unorganised at the moment. But I have jumped my Dread and Carrier to Chard so I can deploy either on the battle field and not worry about being camped into 9-4.. the next target for PL as I see it..

This is not a I told you so or something like that... but for weeks goons have been hampering play in the home systems and then RIP contesting sovereignty which strangely help EC take F7C.. something we should have dealt with straight away.. It seems to me that this was them testing the water.. with EC and SOT having roaming gangs into home systems and no response told them the time was right. We can rescue this with the help from Evoke and Outbreak plus anyone else we can pull in.

As the XZH jump bridge is down does this mean that 9-4 is effectively sealed off? If so we should link 0-B to 9-4 bypassing XZH so we can reduce assets just in case and also get Caps into the system to defend the cyno jammer from PL's BS/support gang. We should try to seal off the system so no more PL/EC/SOT can get to XZH or out.

These are just my thoughts I am sure you already have plans on the table.

Loki

Originally Posted by WR3CK - Heikki

Messages like that are ones we need to give to our alliance common mates; to let them see that there is indeed point on logging in and fighting. Doesn't matter if they leak spread to the hostiles.

Hoping someone has checked what PL thinks about ideas like 'hold off boring POS bashing for XX weeks‚ and we'll just evacuate the area and hand off the keys to you'.

Although, to even get in to position to ask such thing without much of ISK we might need a good show of force or battle-victory, even if we couldn't maintain the level for long.


Оh Sacul, don't risk Jin Roh for this; hе is logistically far more valuable than CR‚ especially if we focus on being self-sufficient corp again..

-Lasse

Оriginally Postеd by CEO-Sacul

I need a director to do the following asap!!!!

1. get the rorq from whomever took it!!!
2. Anchor a jumbridge in 9-4 at a wreck pos.
3. Link that to the pos in mjyw. This pos allready has a anchored bridge atm.

DR have unanchored their bridge in 9-4.

Bridge module is 100k so hence u need a rorq (or jf? not sure)

Since they camp xzh mostly we allready got 6 dreads out and a few loads of the corp ships to a-sj.

@Heikki

I didnt tell it in a mail for obvious spy reasons. But i have told everybody the ev0ke/OB part constantly.

And on the jin roh part. i cant remember where i logged him off in xzh so since there are a few posses bubbled ill keep him logged off for now.

I do feel sorry for ev0ke since its their titan in build but on the other hand i warned them many times. and they still wanted me to put it into build.

Originally Posted by WR3CK - Dustra

Ok so‚ I am a little more awake this morning.

Last night I stayed up a wee bit too late and moved as much as I could.

I moved 4 revelations, the 1 naglafar, and as much shit for the t2 part of the corp shop and I could fit in the jumps 2-3 that I was doing for corp shop.

Marshal moved our 2 Pheonix's at the same time.

I talked to Arco and about re-linking the JB, he said he had already thought of it, and thought another director was going to do it. Anyway, it was still linked to XZH so I went ahead and relinked the JB in 9-4 to О-B.

Latе last night SSDC figured out that there was a small gap in the covereage of the bubbles in XZH‚ it might still be there, so if you want to jump stuff out, that will make it easier.

Lastly, I hope what I wrote makes sense, I was going to write something else but I think I fell asleep at my desk, and forgot :P

Оriginally Postеd by Wreck- Trevortampa

ok right now at 15:42 eve time evoke has some present in 9-4 area maybe about 20 so far an some in xzh not sure how many we hold 9-4 right now only 3 people in local that are hostile in 9-4 so if u need me to do anything sacul let me know i took off work today to help an also all accounts are active now so let me know what i can do to help more

Originally Posted by WR3CK - Loki Elis

I have jumped both Corp Moros' to A-S with MHs help

Originally Posted by WR3CK - Dustra

GJ Loki + MH. - This should mean that with the exception of the one moros (which I have no idea where it is) we have the dreads moved out.

If anyone has the will/drive‚ I think the best thing to do now is evac as much of our assets as possible incase it does end up going tits up. We can always transition assets that we make safe back to 9-4/XZH later or not depending on direction.

There is a functioning JB (at least it was working when I was last on) from o-b to 9-4. Use the cyno generator to get into o-b, jb to 9-4, have a scout check station, dock up, get some shit out.

Be careful as we have already lost one carrier on a PОS to PL.

Originally Posted by CEO-Sacul

excellent work :-* The link from 0-b to 9-4 we did discuss last night but slipped my mind.

That means we now have 2 bridges into 9-4

o-b<->9-4
mjyw<->9-4

(attleast Mh just told me on the phone there is now one to mjyw)

Let the guys know we will be fighting PL friday again and if they ask if they should evacuate tell them to keep pvp ship in the station systems and they can move the rest out.

Im puzzled at what PL is doing tbh. Not allot of ppl know that the titan is in build and ev0ke told me local was clear when they filled up the cap yard. On the other hand a spy could see the long build job and it isnt hard to figure out what it is.

Originally Posted by Wreck- Trevortampa

we should feel special

2008.09.12 01:46
GoonSwarm has declared war on Un-Natural Selection.
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.

seems that we earned a name for our selfs to have goonies coming to play lol

Originally Posted by Wr3ck-Arconath

I think it's more a case of a lot of people smelling blood. In the case of the goons‚ they are expecting us to be fleeiing back to empire and they want easy hauler ganks.

Оriginally Postеd by CEO-Sacul

D and loki lost a carrier in o-b i see :'(

Fall back will be a-sj so goons have nothing on us.

Blood in the water

Originally Posted by WR3CK - Loki Elis

:'(

Logged in for ripper to give me a cyno out saw the 2 reds in local and logged back out. But they got me.

Had a vaga and 1000mm dual railgun bpo and one of my Ion siege cannons in there as well.

Spent the morning moving two corp dreads with MH followed by a power cut all afternoon then couldn't get my own shit out :'(

extra note.. to top it all my account expired at DT today :'( I now have no active accounts.

Originally Posted by Wr3ck - Andrew1138

If you need a supply of liquid ozone for the jump bridges I have a medium pos in o-b that has‚ I think, 40k Liquid ozone in it that I can give away to fuel the bridge and cyno. I have one of my Deadly addiction characters logged off there to access it but have no way to move it to the wreck pos.

Just thought I would put the offer out there. The tower has fuel for 2 weeks. So the ozone will be there until then.

Оriginally Postеd by WR3CK - Arcane Mystery

Should we read this as "I had a vaga in there" or as "I had a Vaga BPO in there"?

Originally Posted by WR3CK - Loki Elis

No in full.. I had a fitted vagabond in the ship maintenance bay and a 1000mm dual Railgun BPO plus my 3rd ion siege cannon for my dread in the corporate hanger.

None of which appeared on the killmail so not sure what happens to them.. I guess destroyed‚ at least I hope so.

Оriginally Postеd by WR3CK - Loki Elis

I think i would have maybe walked into sea if it had been a vagabond bpo

Originally Posted by WR3CK - Nathul

i thought vaga bpo too and i was like OMFG why didnt i get cheap vagas ya dirty git he he ul on the loses tho m8t