razor exploit. lets use this exploit!

[mazzilliu]

i copied this from kugutsumen secret forums. i asked him not to post it publically until the exploit eventually becomes common knowledge, or we start hating razor or something

Оriginally Postеd by Porky

I see some people trying to use the 'logoff' exploit at dt today and failed. You guys clearly do not understand the game mechanics of this feature. It is not something you can blindly do you have to UNDERSTAND how it works. Ingredients needed: IQ>80. I will explain one more time.

In short the exploit initial goal is to get out of a hostile station.
The game feature you are using is the server closing down preventing anything from killing you while you have undocked succesfuly. You will re-spawn the next time you login initiating a warp to the station at a 1M kilometer safe spot. At this point you immediately log off again so you do not actually warp to the station. After this you will login again and warp to that 1M kilometer safe spot from which you can evacuate.
To explain what I mean with server closing down I’m going to explain a basic game feature you should all know: At 11:00 game time the server will kick all players. 99% of eve thinks the server is closed. The server however keeps running. So if you are warping‚ you will finish your warp, if you were locking someone you will finish locking, if you are being shot, you will continue being shot etc. This will go on sometimes for 1 or 2 extra minutes before the server actually closes down! Because the server is running normally, you can also log in again!
So what you have to determine is CAN I BE KILLED within the time I undock and the server goes REALLY down. This is dependent on 1) how many hit points you got and 2) how much dps is ready to be gank you.

So taking today’s example there were about 40 hostiles sitting outside VFK station. Nothing survives a theoretical 2 minute bashing of 40 ships unless it is 40 ibis’. So a logical conclusion for today would be not to undock. The bob FC owned you who undocked by telling his people to log back in after they were kicked at 11:00.
My advice for now is to just jump-clone out and safe your ship later when you can do above. Sell everything on the market you can’t evacuate, it will sell eventually. Consider even selling everything. This exploit was made up for capitals, because they have way more hitpoints.

Some things to think about:
What are new possibilities if there are no bubbles?
When is it safe to undock a capital ship?
Alternative ways to get ships out?

Game features to not forget:
You can only redock after 30 seconds
You are not lockable for 30 seconds after undock if you do not change the direction of where your ship is heading.

Оriginally Postеd by Maestr0

summary:

1. undock 5 seconds before DT
2. after DT‚ log on and, while the screen says "Entering space" log ОFF

at this point you might want to lеt some time pass (just in case you were probed) after that:

3. arrange a cyno out to be ready to gang you and provide the cyno (if applicable)
4. log in and get out of system (cyno‚ gate, whatever) or, if those are camped: warp to a better safe+cloak

Оriginally Postеd by Twoside

problem 1: failing to read
problem 2: failing to spell
problem 3: maestro failing to correctly summorise

Originally Posted by Maestr0

haha‚ correct me then
and anyway, about spelling, it's "summarize" (or "summarise" for US speakers)

Оriginally Postеd by Eric Fuhrmann

1) wait until you're kicked from server for downtime
2) log back in and then undock (you have 1 minute so by the time you login and manage to undock you'll have maybe 20 secs in space during which you're invulnerable anyways)
3) after DT log back in and then logoff
4) log back in a second time and you are now 10‚000km away from station

Please note this works even if you undock into a bubble.
I did this last night and successfully got my geddon from VFK to RОIR.

Originally Posted by Eric Fuhrmann

1) wait until you're kicked from server for downtime
2) log back in and then undock (you have 1 minute so by the time you login and manage to undock you'll have maybe 20 secs in space during which you're invulnerable anyways)
3) after DT log back in and then logoff
4) log back in a second time and you are now 10‚000km away from station

Please note this works even if you undock into a bubble.
I did this last night and successfully got my geddon from VFK to RОIR.

Originally Posted by gorak cz

Today after TQ officialy kicked all for DT ‚ i loged back , and with me another 40+ bobs , so be carefull

Оriginally Postеd by Mark Amarr

Thanks for the explanation Porky‚

I did not know it was possible to log back in after servers went down, which is why I lost my BS and pod to this.

Fingers burnt, lesson learnt!

Оriginally Postеd by gorak cz

So if i log in back after "DT hits" and play undock-dock game im safe. And if servers close(truly) down when im undocking ‚ but im still "untargetable" i won my escape ticket ? Right ?

Оriginally Postеd by Ernest Graefenberg

If you're spending more than 2 hours getting a battleship out of anywhere‚ it's much more efficient to just contract it and go buy a new one (preferably before spending 2 hours). All getting-out-of-station-without-a-major-ОP stuff is prеtty much capitals only‚ both due to the base hitpoints they have and that spending 3 days moving a BS is not at all worth it.

That should be pretty easy to get :/

Оriginally Postеd by Mark Amarr

Agreed‚ point taken and lesson learned.

As it happens the petition was successful and by a happy coincidence the ship was returned to me where I would have taken it anyway, so bar having to replace the mod's dropped in the wreck this was not a desperately expensive way of drumming it into my skull.

Оriginally Postеd by Porky

If all after 11:00 losses are petitionable i encourage other people to petition as well..

Originally Posted by Maestr0

they probably are and I foresee logging back after server goes down will be considered an exploit relatively soon.

Originally Posted by Vehlin

Seeing as how it's BOB doing this I'd be surprised...

Originally Posted by Maestr0

Bob was POS bowling as well‚ just because Bob does something, doesn't mean it won't be considered an exploit... usually, they do all that stuff and if too many others start doing it, THEN it gets called an exploit. :-X

Оriginally Postеd by Vehlin

True

Originally Posted by Kusotarre

When goons started POS bowling‚ it was banned. True story.

Оriginally Postеd by Vehlin

Quick question‚ if you online any modules does this cause any issues such as bubble aggro or remove the 30 second lock protection after undocking?

Оriginally Postеd by Maestr0

try it on test server‚ I've nfi.
how would you online a module right before undocking, exactly?

Оriginally Postеd by gorak cz

No ‚ you wont loose your 30s protection even by repairing your armour

Оriginally Postеd by Vehlin

What about doing it when the station is bubbled?

[Hortoken Wolfbrother]

Thiѕ is thе logon logoff trick. Its really common shit. A patch a while ago supposedly fixed this‚ but never did. Ive ѕеen it abused personally many times.