UNAT: Damn Goons (general member section)

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Оriginally Postеd by MI Groot T

Boys and Girls‚

I need you all to absorb the following information and make sure its been fully understood as we are taking losses which could either be (a) Avoided or (b) reduced.

As we know, Goons are playing cloaking games in our home systems. Everyone has the approach to goons that they are "noobs in frigates". This is not correct. They have had years of experiance at doing exactly that, cloaking ops.

They tactics at the moment are Snipe Apocs, Rapiers and a few other ships, a very nice and effective tactic. They are also superb at concealing numbers. So be prepaired to have double or tripple on you if you are going to go after them.

If you are ratting, moving between systems or even just tootaling about, keep your wits about you.

Do not play undock games, do not try and "quickly pick one off" and definately don't try and play with them. You will loose ships.

Ty for listening.

Groot

Оriginally Postеd by [WR3CK]-CiaphasKhaine

Too add to this- to trap these guys people‚ you need to use EFFECTIVE CОUNTERS! snow, cumbеrson rattings BS's? not a counter for nanofag cloakers. Cloaked rapiers‚ falcons, and some dps support? now thats what I'm talking about. If your going to fight these guys, make sure you do it right, or dont even bother. They took the time and effort to create a combination of ships which is hard to counter. Just throwing whatever you have in station against them simply wont work. Plan your trap, get the ships you need, then execute.

In these kind of situations, if you're not part of the solution, than you're part of the problem. Sloppiness is contagious. Its time we cleaned up our act.

Оriginally Postеd by WE3CK - Nexus Oblivion

The goons that you have here are not the standard goon cannon fodder‚ Its their 'Black ops' group I have encountered them before in fountain.. they are very paitient they are just waiting for the lone ratter in a battleship. If you really must fly around CR in a BS fit neuts they might just give you a chance of escape. It is more effective to play them at their own game... cloaking recons and good communication is really the answer.

Оriginally Postеd by [-D R-] Ghostthor

Um...

This sound familiar to anyone?

...

Quick tips from the other side of this engagement.

Things you must fit, Neuts. You'll pwn any tackler.

That is of course unless the tackler is faction fitted, with a long range point.

But there's still a counter for that.

MWD. This is a little more tricky you have to watch your tacklers orbit, as soon as he gets to an apex opposite the direction you are aligning too, MWD and warp right away, and you'll get out instantly.

And of course sacrifice a single low slot, and fit a god damn stab.

If of course your still have questions feel free to convo.

-hОr

Originally Posted by MI Unreal5

Some stupidly fun details!

In the amazing month of august‚

UNAT has lost 77 ships in total, to Goons. 55 in XZH (HI CAREBEAR CUNTS) and 22 in 9-4.
Goons have lost 6 ships in total, to UNAT.

How awesome is that guise?

Оriginally Postеd by [SSDC]Kaldragon

THIS IS THE GOONS OLD RECON HANDBOOK FOR THEIR BLACK OPS TEAM


Black Op Recons
There's two reasons why Force Recons are so effective: 1) their ability to hide/chose engagement on our their terms and suprise enemies‚ and 2) their EW abilities.


<.... goes on to quote the whole BlackОps wiki ....>

Originally Posted by [-D R-] Tiberius Ilex

Good guide a couple of years ago. Needs some updating here and there lol. Along the lines of:

Pilgrims and arazus suck‚ rapiers can happily solo battleships, falcons are made entirely of win.

Оriginally Postеd by Sacul

great wall of txt and after reading it all i found it slightly outdated on points aswell.

It is still a great base guide imo.

Originally Posted by MI - The Tzar

I know ECM is chance based an all but please take the following account as
no reason to fear this Goon presence more than is necessary:

This evening after the op I sat outside the station in a falcon with their cloaking apoc.
Apoc locks...‚ I jam. And again..., and again..., and again...,
then a vaga turns up, I jam the Apoc and the Vaga...., both again...., both again...,
then their falcon turns up, fails a jam (lol) I jam them all...., and again and again...,
then their arazu turns up, I jam them all...., and again...

I think I've made my point, how many falcon pilots do we have in alliance? Loads of them!!!
If any of you want leet falcon spots around cloud ring let me know, I have them.

If one ship can do this (I appreciate ECM is chance based and this was probably lucky) if we have two or three
around plus rapiers and arazus we can hand their own game back to them.

I'm not an experienced FC but I do know recons pretty well.
If anyone else wants to start a micro campaign against this cloaking scourge (you can't cloak if ur locked!)
then lets get one started. Recons coupled with sentry Ishtars, Inty's or Vaga's and we have them pwnd.

We have the numbers, no reason why this can't be done!

Оriginally Postеd by [WR3CK] Cs3sl2

Just participation is the problem and people willing to wait for them. People get bored easy and get back to doing what they do...

But im up for it (got 2 falcons back in stock )

Originally Posted by -D R- Aegis Osiris

The problem is more then just participation‚ its planning. If you suddenly undock or jump in a bunch of folks in recons/cloaking HAC's, you have to expect that they'll realize it and simply not engage.

You need to either:

1. Get gang together and build it slowly over a longer time (1-2 hours), then dangle the bait and wait. Its like fishin'.

2. Get everyone to rat in Dommies with Sentries in the drone bay and remote reps and neuts in highs with good tanks, make sure you are ALWAYS in gang and on TS, and happily rat away. Should be able to withstand fire from your average goon gang. Toss in a dictor alt and maybe a smidge of ewar, and you'll frustrate them in turn. Might not kill tons, but you will drive them off and make them think about engaging again.

Оriginally Postеd by -D R- Octavians

If you do not control engagement DO NOT ENGAGE.
If you do not have scouts in the 3 systems around you DO NOT ENGAGE.
If you do not know enemy ship types and locations DO NOT ENGAGE.
IF YOU DO NOT CONTROL THE ENGAGEMENT DO NOT ENGAGE.
Stop giving them kills or they will never ever go away. As I do this in enemy space day in and day out it makes me cry when i see you guys fall in the same pattern as the enemies we engage out here. Stop giving them kills‚ please! :cry:

Оctavians / Psychotic Turtlе / Earpiece guy