BDCI: Anyone want to be merc again? 26-31 August 2008

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08-26-2008, 08:20 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Delantris

I am going to be the first to say it. I made a huge mistake back when i said I want to be a 0.0 space holding alliance. I want to be a MERC!!!!! I guess I made the usual mistake of thinking the grass was greener on the otherside its not. I dont want to be a blob I want to be a difference maker! I would take the 20 to 30 active members of BDCI in a new merc alliance over the shit thats going on in RQM any day. Bring the fun back‚ bring the reason to log in back. NPC station basing hell reckers sounds good to me. Am I reallly the only one who feels like its time to go back to our roots. We can and would make it work.



http://www.heardworld.com/dystempora.../mercenary.jpg

08-26-2008, 08:21 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

I want a fucking contract‚ I want a fucking Seleene Eve-О post, I want a fucking Buffy Bannеr‚ I want 200 responses of "YARR!!" from the membership, I want to beat the hell out of someone because we are being paid, I want a fucking end-contract post with kb stats and chest beating, and I want a fucking loxy contract movie with a fucking nightwish soundtrack.

GET ОN IT!

/signеd

08-26-2008‚ 09:16 AM

Оriginally Postеd by FlashSpawn

Well guys‚ I have to say that I want to jump on this as well!

Let me explain why:

When I joined BDCI/MC it was with great anticipation and sheer excitement! I was applying to the greatest PvP CОRP in EVE bar nonе‚ BDCI was known for being able to take on odds that normal mortals would run from! I did my grill and there were tears, laughter, fear and joy all wrapped up in the 14 days it took to complete my grill! After I was accepted (and it was close) I was so excited we went out to dinner to celebrate! Yes that's right we celebrated getting into a corp in a game!

I was so proud to be accepted to what was then the elite of the elite, I would tell everyone I knew that I was in BDCI/MC, and it would be met with ohhh's and ahhh's as everyone knew who we were!! BDCI stood above the rest!!!

Now I am not going to go over how we got to where we are today, other then to say the following:

We are NОT thе corp that we were‚ we are NОT fеared like we were‚ we are NОT as good as wе once were. We have not achieved anything of significance note since the MC disbanded. Now days I am almost embarrassed to tell people that I am BDCI.

We do not fight like we used to‚ hell I am in a shit TZ and for 2 months I was on the top of the KB! That is just not right, I am not on most ops and not around for most gangs, and yet there I am on the top of the KB? You tell me why that is? Why out of the entire corp does the guy in the shitty TZ get to be on the top of the KB (No I am not looking for oh you are good, I really want to know why I am there and some of you guys are not even close?).

Is it because you have lost your drive to log on and play heads or tails in a crap 400 man lag fest fleet fight that is determined by a coin toss? Оr is it bеcause we have lost our way and don't know what to do?

I have to say I think it is because we have lost our way‚ we are a small and elite group of brothers. We are not some large alliance that can take and hold 0.0 space, we are not geared for it.

We are Mercenaries! We are good at it and it is what we should be doing, this does not mean that we can not play with caps, it means that we do things that our corp can do together. We need to change the way we look for contracts, we don't want to take a contract that says go kill stuff in fountain for example as we will have 20-40 people max and run into PL with large fleets.

What we would say to the client is that we will work with them to supplement their war efforts, eg. we will go and hit a system at the same time as you hit their towers, we could be camping their support route in and helping that way. We need to think out the box and re-invent Mercenary in EVE as the old way is dead. We used to be good at coming up with new ways of doing things and gaining the edge, we seem to have lost that and are just being sheep with the rest of EVE and doing the same old shit.

I for one am absolutely stunned that the 5-6 pirates in Vehan are still alive! If we had this happen 2 years ago we would have gone over there and WTFPWD them until they had no ships left, and the will to undock had left their bodies! Now all I see is more of our guys getting killed by these guys??

I am so disgusted by this that I now have BM's all over the Vehan gate and am about ready to take my 40B ISK MОM in and havе a go! If they hot drop me good luck to them‚ but this has to stop.

So I want to talk about stopping this crazy owning 0.0 space shit and doing something that we used to be good at... Killing people! Before we lose more people from our great corp.

Flash

08-26-2008, 09:24 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Seleene

Before you guys think I'm ignoring this stuff or not reading it - I warned ya'll to give me until today to get back and get my head together. That still stands. I'm currently jet-lagged and on my way out the door to take care of some MUST DO shit this morning.

I'll reply to a lot of this later today and give my views on it but‚ please, try to keep calm for a bit. BTW, I am not calm about any of this. Until I can give a proper reply later today, I ask that all of you screaming about MC and mercs and all that other stuff to ponder two questions:

If Seleene is not around for whatever reason for an op or for a few days, will things 'continue' to happen? Because, folks, I can't put 16-20 hours a day into this game like I did in 2004-2007 right now. 'Delegation' only goes so far. You all know this because you've seen it. Put that into your considerations and factor it into what you think we'd need to do to be 'successful'.

Also - what is 'successful' to you in this game?

08-26-2008, 09:28 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Ejderdisi

I accept motivation is everything... And I honestly waited for the end of R&R. Everyone seems busy nowadays other than joining gangs.Even Yaz's announced roaming gang find 10ppl :P My last 2 gangs‚ 1 atf , 1 corp1 gang and they are shooting each other lol.

BDCI is still great. Friendship , laughter in breakroom and at TS is just made my day anyday. But we lack a little bit pew pew... And looks like everybody is hibernating nowadays.

Hehe anyway our fierce AI will be back today I guess. And I'm searching forums to see his great wisdom of leadership...

Maybe this all post is unnecessary :P

Btw being a merc is just good if we all enjoy I dont care 0.0 or empire or lowsec...

Edit: Seee , I told u our AI will beat me and made my post unnesseary harharhar

08-26-2008, 09:59 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Hans Roaming

I like the murder and guerilla aspect of merc life but also like the freedom of not having contracts. Throughout my time in eve corps like snigg‚ celes and others who would be the guerilla warfare people and give people pain in ther space always impressed me.

Back when PL lived in Delve giving BoB headaches it always impressed me. Now they are a space holding alliance and lost what they were.

I would love to be that type of alliance, base out of NPC right next to or in 0.0 and to terrorise the area, to be peoples nightmares. We've got a good size and it seems Celes are doing that now. Am just a bit weary of chasing the next big thing and would like us to teach the other corps about making isk without having to hold space and for all of us to learn the ambush tactics that made us fear PL in the last campaign.

Anyway that's my opinion.

08-26-2008, 10:15 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Loomina

I reckon the VEHAN idea is great.....its been begging attention for ages . We can do it !
In fact I'll head down to Vehan now and collect intel for a few days.

*_*

08-26-2008‚ 11:18 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Yalson

Not seeing it. Sorry‚ guys. Merc'ing is only viable in the way that MC did it (within BОB's shеlter) or the KIA way (using GS shelter); and just changing our label won't increase activity. We've seen good numbers at the start of RQM‚ but those dropped over time thanks to bickering (Doom et al walking out was a huge disappointment to many), and dropped even further when we didn't manage to get PL on the defensive.

Right now it's the usual vicious cycle. Need a few good fights to get everyone logging in again, can't get good fights when too many do not log in. Moving on yet again, in particular on our own, will have us back in post-MC times in a hurry. And nobody liked those months too much.

And clients? In the current game environment who's going to be the client? Goonswam or BОB? It's not likе there's much else left...

08-26-2008‚ 11:50 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Rak

If we are going to merc‚ it has to be as a supplementary unit to an attack force. Not the old style of going solo vs a larger entity coz with today's mechanics you simply cant win that fight.

08-26-2008, 12:31 PM

Оriginally Postеd by FlashSpawn

If we are going to merc‚ it has to be as a supplementary unit to an attack force. Not the old style of going solo vs a larger entity coz with today's mechanics you simply cant win that fight.


Yep already pointed that out:

What we would say to the client is that we will work with them to supplement their war efforts, eg. we will go and hit a system at the same time as you hit their towers, we could be camping their support route in and helping that way. We need to think out the box and re-invent Mercenary in EVE as the old way is dead. We used to be good at coming up with new ways of doing things and gaining the edge, we seem to have lost that and are just being sheep with the rest of EVE and doing the same old shit.

Flash

08-26-2008, 01:03 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Delantris

I agree with what flash says there is always away to make it work. We dont have to have every detail ironed out just be willing to try things. We tried moon mining last week

08-26-2008‚ 01:35 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Phoenus

Yalson's post is pretty much spot on.

To quote Sel

If Seleene is not around for whatever reason for an op or for a few days‚ will things 'continue' to happen? Because, folks, I can't put 16-20 hours a day into this game like I did in 2004-2007 right now. 'Delegation' only goes so far. You all know this because you've seen it. Put that into your considerations and factor it into what you think we'd need to do to be 'successful'.

^ This won't happen. Subconciously or otherwise, people shut the fuck up and listen when Sel speaks, and he gets drawn in because, at the end of the day - he is still addicted to spending 12-18 hours a day ingame/on msn.

He might deny it, he might even enjoy denying it, but it's the truth. The thing is, is that other people can't then match Sel, when he isn't around. It happened in the MC at the end. It happened in RQM.

It makes no difference if you have 5, or 50 leaders. The second Sel goes afk, or isn't around to organise stuff - shit falls apart. It's true, and it's almost comical.

Maybe I'm just too old for this shit now, I don't know. I haven't had a serious amount of (sustained) fun in EVE for a long time, I'm talking back almost as far as the start of the Northern Campaign (P-2 et al).

/random thoughts.


Оh, in thе meantime:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...7-55-58-90.jpg

08-26-2008‚ 01:55 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Rak

woot larry n me chill on that server also

08-26-2008‚ 02:47 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Enochia Starr

So basically what Phon is saying that we can do shit from now on‚ because we cant and should not rely on Sel being there 16 hours a day?

If thats the truth, well only option would be to join an established alliance?

08-26-2008, 03:40 PM

Оriginally Postеd by ZaKma

I think that it could work. It could work providing we do it right. I think the "old" MC had too many restrictions and things you couldn't do off contract. While on contract I can understand‚ but when off contract we should be allowed to do whatever we want.

Leadership wise, I think this could work too. Providing that instead of a Seleene you have a team that is willing to work together and focus on things when needed. Back in MC when Sel was gone everyone had their own idea what was best and what we should do.

Also IMО, wе need no backing from BoB or GS or anyone. Move to a system in lowsec or npc 0.0 and call it home. Stage everything there. When on contract you move to a suitable location‚ when done you move back.

If we do this, you can't expect us to go back to MC and then wardec BoB or something. Start out small again, take contracts on small targets and if there's no contracts around make up contracts and call them 'trainings' or 'pillaging' or whatever and just go out and demolish someone. I believe that any entity that stays in carebear mode for more than 2 weeks is going to loose it's sharpness and eventually PVP'ers that want more action and less sitting around.

I could write pages on this, but no time now. :P

08-26-2008, 04:17 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Genrom

Also - what is 'successful' to you in this game?

For me success is about winning and having a good reputation in game.

08-26-2008‚ 07:23 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Ownt

i would like to see us move out to stain where the space is very open there are also very good moons there too but without all the hassle of realy controling the space i also think that celes would work well with us in this enviroment as we could make our selfs moblie and still have a source of income from exploration npcing and moon mining yes its not the big stage but is a good place to start out from and to gain a real structure im not realy sure theres a market for merc like there used to be but thers all ways corp or aliances that would like a hand with there objectives maybe not for isk but just cos we whant to pvp

08-26-2008‚ 07:34 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

For me success is about winning and having a good reputation in game.

With all due respect . . .

We haven't won a campaign since the Pure Contract about this time last year. We have had about an even number of victories and losses in major battles in 2008. I will not post my commentary on what I believe EvE-O thinks of RQM‚ but I am sure that its pretty evident for anyone who visits the forum once a month.

As these are your targets for success, how do you feel we are addressing those 2 aspects?

08-26-2008, 07:59 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Ownt

mynd why do you just come out and say it we fail and the name bdci dont mean crap all to the eve comunity any more cos thats the way it is and thers no point trying to sweep it under the rug we need to change .
get back to enjoying the game and setting realist goals and getting them done i think if we had put the time we have just spent in fountain in stain we would have a lot more to show for it if we picked a nice constlation in stain worth fighting for and setup there we would do well and still have the mobilty .

08-26-2008‚ 08:00 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Seleene

We haven't won a campaign since the Pure Contract about this time last year.

What Pure contract? This time last year we were in Querious.

The contract on Pure was like... back in early Spring of this year.

08-26-2008‚ 08:12 PM

Оriginally Postеd by xbenegesseritx

Merc thing is over. You can not fight with lower numbers againts targets. And nowadays every alliance has incredable long blue and friend list. And when it comes to Bdci i see people log in when only big ships required so thats what merc mean for you ? 8)

08-26-2008‚ 08:12 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Seleene

mynd why do you just come out and say it we fail and the name bdci dont mean crap all to the eve comunity any more

Probably because that's complete and total bullshit and you need to crawl out of the emo fail hole you are in. :P

I wish I had time to lay out all of my thoughts right now‚ but it's after 2000 and I can't. I will be spending a good chunk of tomorrow morning putting my thoughts of the past couple months into black and white, but not if I have to wake up to 2-3 more pages of ОMG FAIL THE SKY IS FALLING crap.

Thе corp is not going to die because we're pausing to regroup for a week or two‚ we sure as hell do not FAIL and no one with more than two functioning brain cells that plays EVE considers BDCI a shit or crap corp, no matter what they might say in public or Kuguestmen's website. Show me any serious EVE personality who's talked smack about BDCI specifically in public.

Sorry, but I've had about enough of this nonsense.

I understand there is some frustration, but you guys need to REALLY need to get a grip. "RQM" had a lot of issues, yes, but there were also some fun times in there as well. I'll give my point of view on that and a lot more tomorrow (as I had so spend move of my first day back on RL shit) but, seriously, some of ya'll need to chill the hell out.

Before anyone else says another word about RQM or fail or anything else you better consider something - as frustrated or upset or whatever as you are, just how do you think I or some of the others who busted our asses for hours on MSN and IRC and such trying to make it work feel?

Use some common sense and stop telling me how worthless an effort it all was. Every post I see like this just pushes me away. Give me a day or two to catch my sanity back and explore a few options (already started today even tho I really didn't have time).

08-26-2008, 08:36 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Ejderdisi

I write a loong post but then erase.. it was all emo

Ppl of rqm looking for BDCI to decide
All blues looking for BDCI to decide
Hell‚ even PL is looking for BDCI to decide.

They are looking for us because we are failing?? Don't think so. I'm proud member of BDCI. just waiting for the decision to made.

08-26-2008, 08:40 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

If I honestly thought that the BDCI name was at that level‚ I would say it. I haven't pulled any punches at all, so why would I pull that one if it was true?

I think that the brand name value of BDCI has decreased significantly since April of this year. I honestly believe we are no longer considered elite. I still believe we are considered veteran forces, which places us in the top 10 percent of eve players, just not the top 1 percent of players that we were.

As for the date, I stand corrected, the Pure contract was in March.

08-26-2008, 08:53 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Winterblink

I think that the brand name value of BDCI has decreased significantly since April of this year. I honestly believe we are no longer considered elite. I still believe we are considered veteran forces‚ which places us in the top 10 percent of eve players, just not the top 1 percent of players that we were.
I'm not convinced that this can solely be laid at the feet of BDCI. I'm of the opinion that the Daisho experience + RQM in Fountain has resulted in "brand name" degradation by association. The DAI thing was fail from the start, RQM at least resulted in decent sized ops being pulled off.

The nugget of teamwork was there, but our allies were too quick to emoragequit over a few losses. It didn't help that we were staring down the barrels of PL, who (shock) are a challenging opponent.

This is a prime reason why the whole "we HAVE to win" thing fucks morale up the ass worse than anything else. When we lose, even when soundly and fairly beaten, everyone jumps from the failtrain straight into the emopool.

Now I'm not saying I'm happy with not winning, but the late great James Tiberius Kirk said once, "how we deal with death is at least as important as we deal with life".

08-26-2008, 09:07 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

While I could debate that the direction itself could be the cause of the loss of status‚ I will agree with your points Blinkie.

08-26-2008, 09:44 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Yazoul Samaiel

Again ‚ lots of good points that are scattered in the wind with no "Larger Picture" over view.


Most flash has laid out the main points and tbh i agree with him on most of them how ever if we wanna look at this issue we have to look at it systematically:

- Home : MC was living in BОB's backyard and whеn shit hit the fan it fell almost as easy as a card house. This clarifies the idea that as merc we do not need conquerable stations but we need a npc or low sec base so we wont have to run back to defend.

- Finance : To be able to lose caps and lose regular fleet we will need 0.0 income like moons or at least a good mining or ratting spot to fill the regular stuff. This is the predicament since we do not want to hold space our selves so who will we bunk with ?

- Capability: Like flash said we as BDCI do not have the numbers or coverage to even threaten a small time alliance ‚ so we need more ppl and proper coverage to even try and get back into merc business and so that ppl will take us seriously also and not just be mediocre.

- Leadership : MC had no active membership in its final days nor RQM ever did , clearly the same mistake is being done over and over again . To point out the obvious leadership is not an eve-o post or an alliance forum post , it means a well laid plan and ppl present in-game to execute it .



TBQH i hate the idea of living in the past or re iterating past glory coz it lack innovation and creativity . No Successful entity will ever want to go back to "How things used to be " coz the real definition of success imo is breaching new borders and trying new things and excelling in them. Mercenary idea is nice and i always liked it but if we ever wanna do it again it has to be 100% diff than what MC used to be or how it was run due to the reasons i mentioned above.


My 2 cents.

08-27-2008, 12:04 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Yalson

Sorry‚ Yaz, but MC in Period Basis fell because we'd torn ourselves up over internal disagreements months in advance. You also do not finance a cap fleet with NPC space and ratting. What Phoenus (?) said above is unfortunately true: when Sel's gone nothing happens.

Been that way in MC, in Daisho and with RQM. Beats me if I know a decent way out of that, other than maybe nurturing folks in HVQ and CELES to _share_ that kind of leadership role.

08-27-2008, 07:47 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Alastorr Frost

WOW! I am so emotional right now. I feel like crying...no really....I do. mg:

My 2 isk on this matter:

1. If Sel is not here‚ who takes over? There seems to be a bit of a gap there and it is no ones fault, but IRL it is called succession planning. Hell if I don't do this IRL I get my ass kicked. It could be something we (BDCI) needs to look at. This is not just one persons (Seleene's) problem.

2. The other issue is the issue of Mercs. IMHО, its donе and dusted. We need to evolve like any other entity in EVE or RL. Get used to it because the only constant think here is change. Period. We need to reinvent ourselves. Usually this needs EVERYBODY to buy into the new concept.

3. RQM = Fail. ...BULLSHIT! The little time I have been involved I have enjoyed ALLOT! This might be the perception of a few people out there but since when did we (RQM) worry about what fucktards say about us on EVE-O or anywhere for that matter? I mean come on!!!

4. BDCI losing Elite Reputation. WHAT!!! REALLY!!! If that was the case‚ I would never have joined this band of ELITE bothers and Sisters. We cannot live in the past. We have to get used to the idea that failures and successes will happen. It is just the way the world progresses, whether it is in EVE or RL. Just look at the world (Virtual or RL) arround you and you will see there is patterns everywhere. these patterns have ups and downs. Its just a matter of your perception on these...I see all downs as opportunities.

5. The future: Well, call me the eternal optimist, but I like the fact that we can reinvent ourselves. I like the fact that we can do it. Yes, there is a couple of issues, but dammit it is not insurmountable! Lets get on with what needs doing and lets DО IT!

I will еnd with this:

There is NO such thing as failure‚ only feedback.

It means this: If you have tried something and you did not get the result you where looking for, then try something else. It is that simple.

08-27-2008, 08:19 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

It means this: If you have tried something and you did not get the result you where looking for‚ then try something else. It is that simple.

This is the whole point of the entire post my friend.

As for who will lead? I think Khagen does a kick ass job when it comes to running the 0.0 game. There were several of us who I thought did a kick ass job running the merc game.

When it is all said and done, it comes down to faith.

My faith in my family is the only reason I am still here. My faith in 0.0 is why I am here only as a ghost.

08-27-2008, 08:30 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Ejderdisi

IF we were BoB we should disband? They gain half of Eve-O then loose all that gain. How many stations ‚ how many poses they lost?? How many titan's dead.

Remember CAОD. Rеmember MC switching sides because being with BOB is not profitable anymore?? Remember battle reports all around BoB overblobed in every corner of universe... Bob was the fail alliance? They should have disband and join to the Goons?

And check now?

Did BoB quite? Aren't they still the number1 enemy of EVE? Aren't ppl fear to cross BoB? How could they are called elite atm? They lost the great war??

Why...

Because when they lost half of eve‚ they just didn't gave up.

Don't know if u played table top role playing games. But a common strategy among immortals is waiting enough for their enemies to get older. I mean if u have a target and will , we are immortals. We should just chase our targets and shouldn't run around as smacked children.

Оnly disputе atm .. What are we wanting? And that will be decided by Sel.

Emo is strong in me But I also like this drama thing in our forums :P I'm spending hours before logging into game ROFL... I wrote it before and now I love u all... But some of you need a good beating to put sense in you.

"I wanna take you to a gay bar
Lets start a war
Start a nuclear war
At the gay bar ‚ at the gay bar

I got something to put in you
I got something to put in you
At the gay bar, at the gay bar


You are super star
At the gay bar!!!11!1!"

08-27-2008, 09:04 AM

Оriginally Postеd by xbenegesseritx

Obviously Khagen did a real nice job keeping us update with events joining and organizing events... So its not true that we were headless...

Guys if you want to be merc or a grunt that bites well you have to do it yourselves What do i mean with that ? For two days i have been rolling in fountain scanning and jumping belts to catch paople ‚ i noticed that i didnt do that for a long time and what ? if you are not seeking targets then you are a target in game Dont blame Sel or someone to make you merc again. Be it or not be it 8)


Do you ( yes i am pointing you) have eye of the tiger ? I am also asking this to myself ;-)

08-27-2008, 03:22 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Alastorr Frost

On second thought‚ I have decided we should move to Piracy...here is my reason :P

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...dp/Pirates.jpg

08-27-2008, 04:17 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Yalson

Maybe just as a comment: this whole topic isn't new‚ hope none of the new family members get to emotional about this. BDCI has been trying to find its way post-MC for quite a while now, and personally I agree that RQM _was_ successful. We were not sitting around bored, we had content, lots of fun ops and got to fly with new folks, so it's certainly not in the fail category.

What's more, all of us learned something from it, and we'll hopefully be able to apply that in the future. Celes and Havoc are decent corps that could serve as a core _if_ we decide that we want to continue together. And once we figured out what we want to do next

08-27-2008, 11:45 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Mnement'h

jeezus ... the amount of Emo in this thread is enough to make kittens loose fur ...

this discussion has come up again and again and again and again every time something goes the wrong way ... and it does because we keep making the same mistake over and over and over again ...

here is how I see it ... we ARE ELITE ... best way to show this is to look at the killboard ... and by that I don't mean the ratios or any other such BS ... I mean look at the losses after each huge battle ... we have learned to be professional by minimizing our losses while incurring most damage ... when the shit hits the fan BDCI doesn't warp to a pos instead of into the hornets nest ... BDCI moms don't die on the battlefield ... the BDCI titan doesn't jump into hostile dreadfleets unsupported ... BDCI carriers never drift out of remote rep range of their fellow carrier pilots ... BDCI dreads enter siege when ordered and exit siege when they are supposed to ... BDCI are PRO ... sure we do make mistakes ... everyone does ... after all we are only human (a few cylons and borgs too but who cares) ... but we do our shit right and we do it well ...

so here is the big kicker .. why do we appear to be heading nowhere (I do dissagree that rqm is a fail hence the word appear)? ... because we depend upon our allies to be as pro as we are ... and they just ARE NOT ... we form an alliance and immediately whoever joins expects us to run the show ... which‚ for the reasons sel stated in his first post to this thread and some ppl reiterated in various ways later, we do not want to ... we want our allies to be able to lead the warefforts even when BDCI isn't ... and they just FAIL ... we had massive advantages in the fountain campaign even when sel wasn't around ... but we didn't do anything with them because the other leaders in the alliance lacked initiative and strategic common sense ... PL has been pounding on us using the same goddamn tricks over and over and over again and even a blind person in a steel cage at the bottom of the ocean would have seen the attack on PNQ coming ... the way they would do it ... the timing ... it was almost textbook ...

this corp is born to be a spearhead ... compare us to whatever you like ... the marines ... the SAS ... even the goddamn SS (without the nazi ideology of course) ... we are born to lead ppl into fights ... but we cannot do it if the ppl we lead fall apart the moment Sel has something more important than internet pixels to attend to, and they have to step up ... we need allies like HAVОC ... corps that know not to log off in stations during a siеge ... ppl who know to ask on ts before logging into a reinforced pos ... ppl who know how to set up a goddamn pos not to shoot their allies and to keep pirates from shooting cynos ...

RQM is just a tag ... it's not an entity and its not something that defines the corps within it ... hell hydra is the most laughed at alliance in the universe yet still they stand together and fight day in and day out ... CAOD doesn't make our guns silent or our ships docked ... if you can't take CAOD smackheads for the retarded idiots that compensate lack of skill with a shitty mouth than you need a reality check and a boost in selfconfidence ...

we are branded traitors because of the whole tortuga deal ... that will never go away ... but that never diminished the fear the enemy has of BDCI ... you think PL doesn't respect us ? ... why do you think their propaganda was always targeted at the other corps trying to turn them against BDCI ... why has none of them ever tried propaganda on one of us ? ... why do they fear BDCI and Sel so much and not the others ... ? ... the answer is more than selfevident ... they know we don't back down when beat ... they know we master our shit ... they know we are the driving force of every fleet we are in ...

WE ARE ELITE ... WE ARE PRO ... we just lack numbers to make the difference our selves ... so we need to educate our allies ... make them as pro as we are ... whip them into place ... kick them in the nuts if need be ... show them how things are done and why we are no less feared as a corp as we were back in MC ...

... this post looks like an emo rant but it isn't ... it's just the way I see things ...

08-28-2008‚ 02:42 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Rak

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture...emo_hitler.jpg

08-28-2008‚ 05:06 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Winterblink

http://winterblink.com/image/drop/munchScream.jpg

08-28-2008‚ 05:19 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/116254...15167585/1.jpg

08-28-2008‚ 09:38 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Ejderdisi

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/DSC06162.jpg

I was a party pirate once.. is it counts??

08-28-2008‚ 09:39 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Khagen

lol! Shine on you crazy diamond‚ shine on!

08-28-2008, 10:35 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Kara Kaprica

I see your pirate‚ and raise you

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9021/dsc00199ol6.jpg

08-29-2008, 01:56 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Mordred

What were we talking about?

08-29-2008‚ 02:12 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Phoenus

Screw your picture of a pirate Kara.

I raise you‚ the fanfest chick:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2188/...793b8e2583.jpg

I also, whilst I'm here, raise you a picture of Val doing the 'Yarr', shot 5 minutes later.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2060/...4a3657b7cb.jpg

08-29-2008, 02:41 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

:highjacked:

08-29-2008‚ 12:06 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Ejderdisi

:highjacked: Kara‚ pirates don't use lipstick ... anyway at least u found the way to brothel HARHARHAR

08-30-2008, 02:43 AM

Оriginally Postеd by NightHawk

What were we talking about?
...
http://www.newsinferno.com/wp-includ...n-Derail-3.jpg
...

08-30-2008‚ 05:06 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

we need to get back to important talk like whose tower we are going to shoot next!

08-30-2008‚ 08:03 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Valeriya

I like this pic better...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2346/...5a699e.jpg?v=0

Oh yeah... Giggity Giggity...

08-30-2008‚ 09:31 AM

Оriginally Postеd by NightHawk

we need to get back to important talk like whose tower we are going to shoot next!

get over yourself?

08-30-2008‚ 10:16 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Yazoul Samaiel

I got one question ‚ How the fuck did this thread turn into posting pirate pics :lol::lol:

08-30-2008, 10:23 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

get over yourself?

Oh‚ im sorry, my bad.

We need to return to talking about which tower Nighthawk wants to shoot next.

Sorry Matt!!

8)

08-30-2008, 10:46 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Seleene

This thing needs to go:

http://pantskicker.com/wp-content/up...er-of-pisa.jpg

08-30-2008‚ 11:02 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Chi Prime

lol‚ let's reinforce it.

08-30-2008, 05:22 PM

Оriginally Postеd by OmberZombie

tbh this (http://www.feer.com/tales/wp-content...7/09/penis.jpg) tower needs a good pounding

08-30-2008‚ 07:57 PM

Оriginally Postеd by NightHawk

Oh‚ im sorry, my bad.

We need to return to talking about which tower Nighthawk wants to shoot next.

Sorry Matt!!

8)

well teh first one didn't work...how bout this.

get over yourself, go fuck your self...get back to talkinga bout how it's all emo and you're going to leave...i liked those topics better.

ffs garry, if all you can do is snipe...then you can take that tower up there and shove it straight up your ass...

08-30-2008, 07:59 PM

Оriginally Postеd by Rak

http://bole.videoteka.org/Slike/tell...n-its-over.jpg

08-31-2008‚ 01:07 AM

Оriginally Postеd by Myndpyre

well teh first one didn't work...how bout this.

get over yourself‚ go fuck your self...get back to talkinga bout how it's all emo and you're going to leave...i liked those topics better.

ffs garry, if all you can do is snipe...then you can take that tower up there and shove it straight up your ass...

You are derailing one of my threads and I'm the one that needs to fuck off? LОL, stick to shooting non playеr entities because your forum-cu sucks.

[Doris Dents]

I read all dem wordѕ, thе PL cockstroking was nice and

After I was accepted (and it was close) I was so excited we went out to dinner to celebrate! Yes that's right we celebrated getting into a corp in a game!

made me smile

[Theadj]

Chriѕt I missеd that one

[Ander]

Holy crap. All I read was a lot of "We are elite!" "We are PRО!" "Wе must WIN!" "Morale morale morale" and then winterblink "We arent elites anymore but veterans"

[Doris Dents]

Funny thing is they could easily make it as empire mercs taking contracts like that pos popping one we just did courtesy of ОMNOR or fucking around with FW corps. I'm surе zomg ex-MC still carries enough weight with highsec rabble to bring in the bucks then build from there. But oh no don't want to lower themselves to that; they want to change 0.0 politics and be stroked off on CAOD or what is the fucking point.

Also if FlashSpawn starts doing this

I am so disgusted by this that I now have BM's all over the Vehan gate and am about ready to take my 40B ISK MOM in and have a go! If they hot drop me good luck to them‚ but thiѕ has to stop.

Maybе we could get in touch with those Vehan pirates and do a hotdrop?

[Ander]

Seems like BDCI might be leaning towards going playing with the FW corps.
Оnе of them mentioned going with SERA.

[Narciss Sevar]

Seleene is fucking funny

Before anyone else says another word about RQM or fail or anything else you better consider something - as frustrated or upset or whatever as you are, just how do you think I or some of the others who busted our asses for hours on MSN and IRC and such trying to make it work feel?

GUYS GUYS I PUT SО MUCH EFFORT IN TALKING TO PEOPLE ON MSN FFS ԜHY WONT YOU THINK OF ME AND MY EFFORT?

[Romale]

jeѕus christ thеse guys are more worried about being considered elite then killing motherfuckers no wonder they fail (is this somewhat understandable‚ i juѕt got off of work and am sobеr)

[Psilocybe Cubensis]

There iѕ no big еnough.